tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post111552468124367373..comments2014-02-14T06:00:08.362-08:00Comments on Expert Opinion: Home Science Tools: Not!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-3527845172183765192014-02-14T06:00:08.362-08:002014-02-14T06:00:08.362-08:00Until you have the ability to separate the definit...Until you have the ability to separate the definitions of scientific theory and "common parlance" theory, you shouldn't be allowed to comment on evolution. Period. Evolution is called a theory because it isn't a static platform of knowledge....its constantly changing as new experiments and observations come to light. Creationism is about as static a concept as possible. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-33885799517774815412012-03-13T22:18:35.134-07:002012-03-13T22:18:35.134-07:00I must agree with the author. I, too, was drawn it...I must agree with the author. I, too, was drawn it by the neat catalog and the equipment. However, I grew more and more uncomfortable with every catalog when I took closer look at the book section (I wasn't really interested in their books in the first place) and the word "creation" left a sour taste in my mouth. Then I discovered warnings in some of the other book descriptions: &Fritzenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-87695754899133200412011-05-09T08:58:35.809-07:002011-05-09T08:58:35.809-07:00Have to agree with Pam.... you said you were suppl...Have to agree with Pam.... you said you were supplementing your curriculum not looking for a new one. Home Science Tools carries awesome stuff and not all of it "Christian" it's just science tools, if you don't want the curriculum then don't buy it but what's that got to do with the supplies?! <br /><br />And FYI Science and Faith (The Bible) do line up .... evolution IStimsarmywifeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03055198076560395198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-41276464476143408712010-08-21T14:03:24.346-07:002010-08-21T14:03:24.346-07:00Wow. I stumbled on this post while looking for su...Wow. I stumbled on this post while looking for supplies for teaching Chemistry in a homeschool co-op, and I'm astounded by your shameless prejudice. Way to be a hateful hypocrite. :o) <br /><br />I mean, are simple glass and metal implements truly "corrupted" by being touched by (EEEEK!) Christians? Interesting brand of "holiness" you have going there. Not much Pamhttp://pammalamma.livejournal.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-3374029716537103892010-06-07T07:54:04.572-07:002010-06-07T07:54:04.572-07:00Well put anonymous engineer! I'm also an engi...Well put anonymous engineer! I'm also an engineer and found this company and plan to use the educational tools (not the text books) to supplement my children's education. Great selection, great pricing, and great way to make science fun!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-88808018594309834342010-05-22T23:28:54.924-07:002010-05-22T23:28:54.924-07:00WOW! While I can understand your opinion, I don&#...WOW! While I can understand your opinion, I don't understand the rage. I have purchased many items from this company and have been very happy overall. They are price competitive, have reasonable quality and the supplies arrived in good time and condition. A microscope does not have an agenda. Nor does an owl pellet, a dissecting kit, etc. Don't throw the baby out with the bath waterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-68820551064639968052010-02-26T06:52:50.709-08:002010-02-26T06:52:50.709-08:00"The important distinction is that science do..."The important distinction is that science does not require belief,..."<br /><br />Where did the Universe come from?<br /><br />What color where all the dinosaurs?<br /><br />Who spoke the first word?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-87404301516000535262009-10-27T09:41:24.411-07:002009-10-27T09:41:24.411-07:00This reminds me of the documentary 'No Intelli...This reminds me of the documentary 'No Intelligence Allowed'. Evolution takes faith, there's much in science that takes faith......incredible that this sort of thinking continues. True scientists are open and try to curtail their bias as they explore and discover. I'm thankful that we have open minded people in both scientific and religious communities.Jackienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-41279905478844691652009-09-05T13:57:22.822-07:002009-09-05T13:57:22.822-07:00Michael, I liked what you said about science and r...Michael, I liked what you said about science and religion being "orthagonal." I'm not sure I understand it, but it goes well with my beliefs...science explores "how," and religion explores "why."<br /><br />Like you, I don't like bad science; thus I have trouble with taking a few statements and theories and erecting an entire theoretical edifice on it. That&Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-49457586237538008692009-08-05T06:35:49.116-07:002009-08-05T06:35:49.116-07:00Seriously, I'm reminded why I shouldn't po...Seriously, I'm reminded why I shouldn't post when I'm irritated about search engine results, or other people's opinions. Sorry for being such a sarcastic smartie-pants. Would delete if I could. Trying to find some science materials to aid in educating our kids is common ground. I came back and read through more of the other comments and overall it turned out to be interesting krispnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-79048025854665686012009-08-04T11:29:14.255-07:002009-08-04T11:29:14.255-07:00So, let's get this straight. You - Michael St...So, let's get this straight. You - Michael Stiber - have neither actually ordered from this company, nor have any grounds for complaint about the manufacturing quality of items sold, price, customer service, etc, etc. You just disagree with some of the religious content of some of the books carried? It's too bad this site came up so high on google search for this particular phrase. <krispnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-55337040199162233532009-07-15T22:06:10.247-07:002009-07-15T22:06:10.247-07:00You're being unfair to Home Science Tools. Ha...You're being unfair to Home Science Tools. Have you seen any other homeschooling catalogs -- secular and religious? Almost every homeschooling catalog out there carries religious AND non-religious stuff. Let's say you're non-Christian and you walk into Walmart and find crosses there -- does that mean Walmart is Christian or that it's run by religious crazies? No, they're stefhttp://www.andthesethygifts.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-65455153503486946122009-06-26T00:09:01.928-07:002009-06-26T00:09:01.928-07:00I found Homesciencetools to have a lot of supplies...I found Homesciencetools to have a lot of supplies and was interested in what they had to offer. I even signed up for their newsletter but then I found something about Creationism and was appalled: it is not a science. <br /><br />From there I search "evolution" and found three results: all which work to refute it and promote creationism. Needless to say I feel stupid that I actually Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-76165433777331261262009-02-26T20:30:00.000-08:002009-02-26T20:30:00.000-08:00Greetings,As a Christian, chemist, college lab ins...Greetings,<BR/>As a Christian, chemist, college lab instructor, and high school science teacher, I approach Religion and Science as complementary parts of the Universe. One part, the Natural World is investigated by science. In this portion, the hypothesis and observation lead to theories, principles and laws. The other portion of the universe is the supernatural world, which is beyond our Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13145987997878069861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-71326710554877771092009-01-22T11:31:00.000-08:002009-01-22T11:31:00.000-08:00Interesting blog...I use materials from this compa...Interesting blog...I use materials from this company and have been pleased. As I explained to my son, even "science theories" change. When I was a child we were told dinosaurs were lizards, yet the scientific community today groups them more as birds. Working as clinical laboratory scientist, I can tell you this not the only example that comes to mind. It is a smug assertion to state science Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-28811941986131891502008-12-26T21:00:00.000-08:002008-12-26T21:00:00.000-08:00I found this blog by accident, while searching for...I found this blog by accident, while searching for science teaching tools. Reading the comments here has been interesting, in a number of ways, but I felt compelled to respond to an earlier post that labeled the presentation of science in a religious context as "pseudoscience." This is in itself bigotry. It is true that science is based on observable principles and facts, but that does not make Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-50125707408120940102008-11-25T10:28:00.000-08:002008-11-25T10:28:00.000-08:00Hello everyone, Let me introduce myself first so t...Hello everyone, <BR/><BR/>Let me introduce myself first so that you have a frame of reference. I am actually an employee of the aforementioned company: Home Science Tools. I have worked here for a number of years in the service department. <BR/><BR/>As with any company, we are always concerned with the service that we provide, so it is with this in mind, that from time to time, I perform an Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-52157886223562138452008-11-19T20:19:00.000-08:002008-11-19T20:19:00.000-08:00Once kids get to the middle school level, it is po...Once kids get to the middle school level, it is possible to buy decent textbooks from places like AbeBooks.com and some of the independent sellers on Amazon.com. You need to search around for discussions of texts from publishers like Prentice Hall and keep an eye on the state the edition is from (avoiding states that prevent publishers from including full coverage of evolution, for example). Michael Stiberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02164917508588925430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-37432786535288110032008-10-31T21:56:00.000-07:002008-10-31T21:56:00.000-07:00I notice the date on this topic is a few years ago...I notice the date on this topic is a few years ago, but it's an interesting discussion, and I'm glad you brought it up. As a Jewish homeschooling family, finding appropriate science materials is one of the biggest headaches I have. Because the Apologia texts are experiment-laden with easy-to-access materials in the home, followed by decent explanations, we have reluctantly resorted to using Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-50081298188052481602008-09-11T08:51:00.000-07:002008-09-11T08:51:00.000-07:00I'm not saying that Home Science Tools isn't selli...I'm not saying that Home Science Tools isn't selling <I>some</I> objectively useful items. Actually, the fact that they mix accurately presented materials with materials that are misleadingly labeled as, for example, science, is actually <I>worse</I> than if they just sold pseudoscience.<BR/><BR/>And, yes, I wouldn't shop at a physical bookstore that marketed nonsense as science. I have no Michael Stiberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02164917508588925430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-86223515615996324172008-09-09T11:21:00.000-07:002008-09-09T11:21:00.000-07:00I am a home educator who buys some of my science m...I am a home educator who buys some of my science material from Home Science Tools. It is not because I believe in creationism (I don't, though I consider myself Christian). They offer some quality materials at affordable prices. I even use Apologia science texts (the Exploring Creation series)because I have found them to provide a good foundation in science. When we cover an area such as Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-7507977941453428932008-09-02T10:46:00.000-07:002008-09-02T10:46:00.000-07:00anonymous wrote:Page 2 of Apologia Educational Min...anonymous wrote:<BR><BR/><I>Page 2 of Apologia Educational Ministries...</I><BR/><BR/>This doesn't refute my central point, that the Home Science Tools people, not the Apologia people, were being misleading.<BR/><BR/><I> We all have to live in this world together & there's plenty of room for us all without having to endure the sort of comments you make in your post.</I><BR/><BR/>Then Michael Stiberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02164917508588925430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-39522510888896604522008-08-28T01:43:00.000-07:002008-08-28T01:43:00.000-07:00Page 2 of Apologia Educational Ministries states o...Page 2 of Apologia Educational Ministries states on page 2 that it is a Christian Curriculum. The fact that their titles start with 'Exploring Creation' is pretty clear to anyone that they don't believe in evolution so I don't think they're trying to hide anything. We all have to live in this world together & there's plenty of room for us all without having to endureAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-90126084120649893732008-04-23T14:44:00.000-07:002008-04-23T14:44:00.000-07:00It's not a matter of a mix of high and low quality...It's not a matter of a mix of high and low quality science material together. These books mix science and pseudoscience together. What's more, no distinction is made between the science and the pseudoscience. Certainly, someone knowledgeable about science (i.e., a scientist) could tease out the actual science. But that's beside the point, because these are intended as textbooks to teach children Michael Stiberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02164917508588925430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626743.post-41311386828730028032008-04-21T11:32:00.000-07:002008-04-21T11:32:00.000-07:00As a Christian homeschooled student who has used t...As a Christian homeschooled student who has used the books from the "Exploring Creation With" series, I can tell you that not all of this material is creationist propaganda. I myself see the errors in creationist theory (while I still believe that God initiated the process of the world's beginning); however, this did not stop me from learning and understanding Biology, Chemistry, and Anatomy & Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com